I feel bad about Vogel

orientdan said:
Kinzie a nobody? Give me a chuffing break. In Saints Row IV she singlehandly escapes alien captivity herself, steals a spaceship and then rescues both the President and the Vice President. Then she helps the President/Boss get all the other Saints out of the simulation and helps the Boss get Johnny Gat back even though doing so risks them being detected by Zinyak.

The issue of Kinzie punching the Boss and why they did nothing in response has been debated time and time again by Saints fans and there is one glaringly obvious reason why they let her get away with it which is in the game's narrative itself. It's the the way the Boss treats Kinzie, as someone who they regard as so important and as a close and loyal friend who they couldn't bare to lose.

This is obviously demonstrated in several points in the game first in the White House scene when Kinzie is first abducted and the Boss yells "KINZIE NO" and runs to try and save her. Then secondly during the Kinzie Gambit when after Kinzie is recaptured by Zinyak the Boss is distressed and angry and is desperate to save her. This demonstrated palpably when just after Kinzie is kidnapped and the Boss is fending off aliens on the ship with Gat they monetarily forget Kinzie is not there and asks for her help with something (where the weakest point on the ship dragging them towards the sun is) and Gat has to remind them that Kinzie is kidnapped and can't help. the Boss gets way pissed that they forgot, and it shows how much they rely on Kinzie.

So when the Boss rescues Kinzie from the 50s nightmare and she socks them for joking about her poodle skirtt the Boss is just relieved that they have Kinzie back and let's it go. They are hardly gonna punish their most important homie just for that.
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BobaFett said:
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So you want the Boss to beat the ever living crap out of Kinzie for socking him/her across the jaw? Again, why? It's been shown time after time again the Boss has mellowed out considerably since Saints Row 2, he/she isn't like Maero who kills his own men for not kowtowing to him every second; why would he/she beat Kinzie?
 
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TheBlueGuys said:
So you want the Boss to beat the ever living crap out of Kinzie for socking him/her across the jaw? Again, why? It's been shown time after time again the Boss has mellowed out considerably since Saints Row 2, he/she isn't like Maero who kills his own men for not kowtowing to him every second; why would he/she beat Kinzie?
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I don't even care anymore, give Kinzie a full game or whatever. Gameplay wise, Saints Row is fantastic, but I just don't care about the story anymore.
 
cat of feed said:
Saints row 2 spoiler ahead





Does anyone else now feel bad about shooting Dane Vogel in the mouth and throwing him out of a skyscraper in SR2? He is a pretty cool guy in SRGOH and has some great dialogue. Think about it, Matt Miller also tried to kill you, 3 times, but look where he ended up.
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Sometimes you have to scare or hurt badly someone to make that someone trust you. It's a simple trick of the human mind, condemn him then extend your hand to him, and he shall respect you.

AKA tricking human mind: you scare him enough to show him what you are capable to do, then save him, the person will think the result could have been worse without your help.

that's and old cosa nostra trick, so just don't share it around ok
 
Quantum said:
Although, perhaps, shooting Dane Vogel dead and sending him straight to hell seems like a bit of a severe scare tactic. :p
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Kinda of cancelling your funny joke but, it actually worked, just right the way you said, now he's on our side. FOR NOW
 
Chromo & Martini said:
Sometimes you have to scare or hurt badly someone to make that someone trust you. It's a simple trick of the human mind, condemn him then extend your hand to him, and he shall respect you.

AKA tricking human mind: you scare him enough to show him what you are capable to do, then save him, the person will think the result could have been worse without your help.

that's and old cosa nostra trick, so just don't share it around ok
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So in other words, the Boss scared Matt, then spared him, thus tricking him into believing that the Saints weren't all that bad because the Boss stayed his/her hand? Interesting.
 
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