What would we like for Saints Row the 2nd?

So, the new reboot hasn't been very well recieved. Sure, it got review bombed by very dissapointed fans who call it the worst game ever. I don't think it's the worst game ever. I had fun in it. Not as much fun as with Saints Row 2, 3 and 4 mind. Those 3 games I wanted to absolutely 100% by finding everything, doing everything, spending as much time in their game worlds. And while Santos Ileso is a very nice looking gameworld, the things to do there are mixed to very fun side missions or hustles, to more boring ones like a lot of searching that breaks the flow of the game. But then I got myself thinking, with all these examples, the next Saints Row game should be a lot of fun then! If history repeats itself with Saints Row and Saints Row 2, and I Really hope it does. Thats why I decided to write some ideas down and was interested to see what you all thought about what the 2nd game should look like! I've decided to call it Saints Row the 2nd in my head. So not to compete with the original Saints Row 2 (reboots can be confusing.....)

So for one, I would like to see the new engine fully utilized. Beter physics, animation, weather systems with rain and maybe even added seasons to make the timeflow seem larger. Where throughout your adventures, you go through the 4 seasons so it doesnt feel like you've taken over a city in a week.

The return of different walking animation, fighting styles, better fighting system. I really missed those.

I'd like to see a more fun transition system where you can drive different vehicles, sprint but it looks more like parkour (the saints could really make fun of games that have that and go a bit further with it), add skateboards with a trick system as a wink to tony hawk games, or maybe even have him as a cameo. Hitman missions with a 47 doubleganger? And make the missions fun to do!

I would like to see a 2nd city added to it that looks different. Maybe with a high mountain in between with snow on the top so you can snowboard, winking at SSX games. More idle stuff like sitting at Freckled Bitches eating a burger while a cinematic cam swoops around to make a fun screensaver in case you want to wait for the money to roll in on your phone, or want to listen to the ingame radio.

I would like to see the return of different hideouts. More houses you can buy and you can customise just like in 2. Or even more! Place your own furniture you have to buy, change the wallpaper and floor, buy big ass tv's if the budget allows it. Make it fun so when you invite a friend or play the game on stream, you can show off your digital houses and interiors. Heck you could even turn that into a side mission where you have to decorate and release the finished product in a magazine by making fun pictures and you find the magazine in the city with your house on it. I dunno, just spitballing really. :p

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And story wise, as you saw above, I liked the Saints Row 2, 3 and 4 winks to other games (4 did full parodies ofc), I would put a lot of that in there. And it's simple too! Kevin and the Boss are playing a coop video game and Neenah complains about how the open world is a bit boring and all they do are driving and shooting (yes, making fun of the first game and awknowledging the flaws, not make a meme about it..) and saying how they do that shit for real, so how is it still fun to do it in a game? Then Eli actually finds an idea to make that profitable! Not just by getting their own game company and develop games, but as a promotional stunt, they'll do stuff from the games for real. But they don't really have any experience making games, so they do the logical things, steal games from other companies.

Another game developer settled in the new city gets word of this, and wants to stop the Saints. You can see a lot of obvious jokes there with how big game companies are getting nowadays... And they hire gangs/mercenaries to stop the Saints. In the meanwhile, some gangs from the past are trying to make a return and take over the city, especially after the state the saints are in after the conclusion of this game.

Now you have a story about how the Saints are trying to set up a company, meaning they need money, but they don't have their income anymore because the saints got all but destroyed last time and gangs formed taking over their businesses. The saints still have some, but that is taken away as well, leaving them with nothing but a lot of weapons and bullets.

So they start their takeover while dealing woth corporate espionage, playing out video games for real and starting a city wide roleplay (the larp missions were the most fun of Saints Row, in my opinion) where there are new "gangs" forming, all acting out their favorite games. the fantasy gang, the first person shooters, the hitmen, the masterchiefs, the assassins, sport games... you can do a lot of fun stuff with this while making comments on those games. So there you have a fun questchain to follow as well.

So yeah, you have several stories going on, and Neenah, Kevin and Eli focus on a different story.

So that is a more light hearted story where you can go over the top light, over the top dark, and just over the top. Another one would be simpler, but maybe more boring...

The original Saints hear that a new gang is forming, so they come to Santos Ileso to stop them and take over the city. And you and your friends fight against the OG's, not knowing who they are. So you have to fight Shaundi, Pierce, Viola, Oleg, and the boss. And it can end with them all coming to a understanding. Maybe Shaundi realises when you beat her branch that the Boss has become a larger asshole and joins forces to humble the OG saints, I dunno. But that way, the reboot turns back as a part of the main series, and opening a way towards a fuller Saints Row future. But I personally like it more to bring the fun back. :p

ANYWAY! That is my idea and what I would like to see. But overal, more fun. More rewards, more motivation to go out and do everything there is to do in Saints Row.
 
Well here is a list of things i would like to see:



* Another reboot. Call it Saints Row Paradise

* Keep the story VERY serious and Badass with wacky and humorous stuff strictly into the gameplay mechanics and diversions, give us very dramatic moments too in the story. - They don't have to be "Gangbangers" but please no more Gen Z Woke tiktokers characters. Have them come together to fight all the gangs and crimes, and the Boss not be as Psychotic and more serene, but at the same time intimidating through all the campaign

* Have one very close Saints member get killed

* Have one Saints members betray you

* Have one mission were the Boss does something very shocking as an excuse for the previous two lists

* Bring back Activities like GenkibowlVII, FUZZ, Crazy Taxi, Ambulance EMT, Septic Avenger and Fight Club

* Give us TONS of open buildings and stores that don't get locked after missions

* More secrets as collectibles

* More meaningful and interactive Easter Eggs, like not just have them be just there... like have the Boss mention on them or be counted as different Collectibles

* More NPC AI Interaction points, SR-2022 did a good job there. I've found NPC's standing pretending to be alive and doing a lot of things but it falls flat because their AI is dumber than a Retarded Coackroach that can only run away at the movement of it's own shadow

* I want SMART chaotic AI, i want NPC's to react to when the player crashes, runs over someone or waves his gun, like yeah they should still run but i want some npc's to gather around corpses and call police, taking selfies with the Boss, fight him or just cower in fear... but make it in a smart random way like GTA4. I want to see gangs fighting each other, then police showing up and the gangs trying to scram and get arrested. NPC's throwing shit on the ground and be d*cks to each other. That's what makes SR2 and Oblivion so fun, because a lot of random wacky stuff would happen be all over the map.

* Get arrested and not just get shot to death when the level is below 2 notoriety

* Tons of Stores like in SR2

* HEISTS, at least a couple BIG ones while also being able to rob smaller stores

* Random events like in GTA5 when you are just roaming the city and find small petty criminals or things going on to stop or be part of

* Give us a Supernatural creature or event as part of an Easter Egg, something that we think it could be there and actually investigate as part of a conspiracy. I love all that kind of sh*t

* Bring back Gat in his SR1 and SR2 personality. I could care less about the rest of the saints. Maybe GAT could be part of a Small DLC

* Keep the Car customizations of SR 2022

* Keep the Weapon customizations of SR 2022

* More Physics based objects and interactive world like being able to buy snacks or sodas from vendor machines, light bulbs getting busted by explosions or bullets, if you place a frigging water park make it so that Player and NPCS CAN ACTUALLY USE IT. What's the point of creating all those amazing things like the Go Kart race track and not have a frigging Kart Race against NPC's or other players? how about riding that Giant Ferris Wheel too?

* Casino to lose or win $$$ like in SR2

* Interactive Arcades like in GTA Online

* No more spongy enemies with thousands of health points, Saints Row was never an Action RPG like BORDERLANDS, i got no idea who decided to implement this Spongy crap. A Shot to the head should always be a kill, unless dealing with a boss

* Cover System and NPC AI taking advantage of it, This is 2022! and the idiotic Enemies standing or running with a melee weapon towards you while you're shooting at them is just IDIOTIC

* Randomly generated Enemies, i don't want to see the same dudes over and over like in SR2022. You got this nice Character Creator, use it to generate random regular enemies

* More Animal Variation. I do appreciate the fact that they added tiny birds flying over buildings and vultures in the sky, and the coyote which i only seen ONCE in like 30+ hours. Also, make them Killable like in other Open World Games such as Elder Scrolls or GTA

* Maybe bring back being able to basically grab anything from the Street as a weapon?

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* Bring back different Fighting Styles

* Dual Weapon wielding but also being able to go back to a Single Weapon

* Male/Female British Accent

* Male/Female Slavic Accent

* MORE Facial option Sliders

* More Wavy/Curly and Long hairstyles

* Separated Sliders for Butt, Waist, Thighs

* Height Slider, up to 15% shorter/taller

* Bring Back the Approve/Disaprove Taunts with a Emote Wheel, with less... fortnite dances, i still want my Clap hands and Vogue emotes back.

* Bring Back the Parachute, wingsuit it's ok but i want an option to switch between each of them

* Air Traffic, like in SR2

* Not a fan of the unlockable Cheats, i could do without them... but a vast majority of SR community wants them back

* Bring back different Walk Styles like in SR2


That's basically it. Notcied how like two thirds of these list are SR2 features? no wonder why People love that game, it was a frigging master piece with tons of Little Details that truly shows how much love was put into. SR2022 really feels like they tried to go a SR2 route, but at the same time it feels very RUSHED and at some parts like they run out of Resources or were forced to release as is.
 
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Well here is a list of things i would like to see:

* Another reboot. Call it Saints Row Paradise.

* Keep the story VERY serious and Badass with wacky and humorous stuff strictly into the gameplay mechanics and diversions, give us very dramatic moments too in the story. - They don't have to be "Gangbangers" but please no more Gen Z Woke tiktokers characters. Have them come together to fight all the gangs and crimes, and the Boss not be as Psychotic and more serene, but at the same time intimidating through all the campaign.

* Have one very close Saints member get killed.

* Have one Saints members betray you.

* Have one mission were the Boss does something very shocking as an excuse for the previous two lists.

* Bring back Activities like GenkibowlVII, FUZZ, Crazy Taxi, Ambulance EMT, Septic Avenger and Fight Club.

* Give us TONS of open buildings and stores that don't get locked after missions.

* More sectrets as collectibles.

* More meaningful and interactive Easter Eggs, like not just have them be just there... like have the Boss mention on them or be counted as different Collectibles.

* More NPC AI Interaction points, SR2022 did a good job there. I've found NPC's standing pretending to be alive and doing a lot of things but it falls flat because their AI is on dumber than a Retarded Coackroach that can only run away at the movement of it's own shadow.

* I want SMART chaotic AI, i want NPC's to react to when the player crashes, runs over someone or waves his gun, like yeah they should still run but i want some npc's to gather around corpses and call police, taking selfies with the Boss, fight him or just cower in fear... but make it in a smart random way like GTA4. I want to see gangs fighting each other, then police showing up and the gangs trying to scram and get arrested. NPC's throwing shit on the ground and be d*cks to each other.

* Get arrested and not just get shot to death when the level is below 2 notoriety.

* Tons of Stores like in SR2

* HEISTS, at least a couple BIG ones while also being able to rob smaller stores.

* Random events like in GTA5 like when you are just roaming the city and find small petty criminals or things going to stop or be part of.

* Give us a Supernatural creature or event as part of a Easter Egg, something that we think it could be there and actually investigate as part of a conspiracy. I love all that kind of sh*t.

* Bring back Gat in his SR1 and SR2 personality. I could care less about the rest of the saints. Maybe GAT could be part of a Small DLC.

* Keep the Car customizations.

* Keep the Weapon customizations.

* More Physics based objects and interactive world like being able to buy snacks or sodas from vendor machines, light bulbs getting busted by explosions or bullets, if you place a frigging water park make it so that Player and NPCS CAN ACTUALLY USE IT. What's the point of creating all those amazing things like the Go Kart race track and not have a frigging Kart Race against NPC's or other players? how about riding that Giant Ferris Wheel too?

* Casino.

* Interactive Arcades.

* No more spongy enemies with tons of health, Saints Row was never BORDERLANDS and i got no idea who decided to implement this Spongy crap. A Shot to the head should always be a kill, unless dealing with a boss.

* Cover System and NPC AI taking advantage of it, This is 2022 and idiotic standing enemies or running with a melee weapon towards you while you're shooting them with an Assault rifle is just IDIOTIC.

* Randomly generated Enemies, i don't want to see the same dudes over and over like in SR2022. You got this Character Creator, use it to generate random regular enemies.

* More Animals. I do appreciate the fact that they added tiny birds flying over buildings and vultures in the sky, and the coyote which i only seen ONCE in like 30+ hours. But i really need more animals.

* Maybe bring back being able to basically grab anything from the Street as a weapon?

That's basically it.
Amen.

Also, keep the weapon customization is quite a stretch if kept like the reboot (Color/camo edit is fine)
But make it like a Shooter game. And of course... Devs should visit a firing range for reference. Jesus, weapons lacks the proper punch needed. They feel like airshit with muzzle effects added to make it look like lethal.
 
Remaster of real Saints Row 1-2.

A Remaster for both would be great, but i think they still don't have the Source for Saints Row 1, so it would probably onlt be SR2 Remaster.

I would prefer see a Remake of SR1/SR2 with the SR4 engine, as it would mean Better graphics, better models with animations much improved lightning, but without actually cutting content like in the Mafia1 Remake. The studio who worked on the remake actually followed the story perfectly, but they also cut a lot of content, that would suck real bad. The "Kill all Humans" remake called Reprobed did a much better job there.
 

Admixon

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So engine or art style? SR3 engine is very limited. You can't add high poly models or advanced textures because the engine is very old. Reboot works on the newest version of AoM engine which allows to do much more and it's not as limited as SR3's one. Art style is a different thing. The remaster can work on reboot's engine and still look like old SR1-2 game but with better materials, lighting, models, etc.
 
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